CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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227 points | by edent 11 hours ago

24 comments

  • bilater 56 minutes ago
    Tbh I can't see how any site about tooling doesn't go the way of Stack Overflow. I used to follow the latest framework and CSS articles avidly. With agents it's a moot point.

    It's sad. But rather than fight it, we should be thinking about what communities we form next, in a world where knowing flexbox tricks isn't a flex.

    • AlienRobot 50 minutes ago
      That's because those AI's were trained on existing "CSS tricks."

      If people stop writing new CSS tricks, they will never make it into any dataset, and it won't matter if the AI can search the internet or not, because they won't be posted on the internet either.

      Essentially, mass scraping has a chilling effect.

      • abirch 26 minutes ago
        Oddly enough if the scraping is good, AI can find the CSS tricks in the wild. Not as applicable with other technologies but scrapable web is readable for AI much like how some of us old people learned html/css by looking at source of quality websites.
      • bilater 41 minutes ago
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  • wg0 6 hours ago
    I am concerned that what will happen to detailed technical write ups that defined much of the "technical internet space"? There used to be "CodeProject" (still is around probably) that used to have great articles on C, Windows Programming, Windows System programming and what not. Similar other sources on Web as well such as some TutPlus network.

    Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuck in LLMs but there would be no knowledge base to train the LLMs on so... would this all collapse in a decade or two?

    PS: Not anti AI rant, just a genuine open question.

    • judah 56 minutes ago
      FYI, CodeProject.com appears to have been shut down a few months ago. I used to visit (and contribute) to the site regularly through articles and Q&A answers. When StackOverflow took over, I moved most of my Q&A answers there, and I suspect many others did too.

      The site languished until a few months ago when it started serving a blank page. Now it appears totally offline. ;-(

    • autoexec 29 minutes ago
      > Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuck in LLMs but there would be no knowledge base to train the LLMs on so...

      It's even worse, the internet is getting filled with AI generated slop. All that knowledge stuck in LLMs gets regurgitated out with random errors scattered into it. A few cycles of AI having to scrape and ingest its own slop and it's going to get very ugly.

    • phoghed 1 hour ago
      > it's not just an anti AI rant, it's a genuine open question

      There will probably still be some passionate people dedicated to this kind of thing, but presumably not as many, which is unfortunate.

  • ChiperSoft 4 hours ago
    The more relevant post is by Geoff himself.

    https://geoffgraham.me/why-css-tricks-has-been-quiet/

  • account42 6 hours ago
    Complaining that they give money to people you don't like is not a good look when you want them to give money to people you do like.
    • boredpudding 6 hours ago
      Because being friendly works doesn't work. Open source maintainers have been screaming about funding for years. One dude comes along, adds some scripts on top of all the work of those maintainers, and gets millions in funding?

      You can't expect people to be nice then. It's completely messed up.

      • danieljacksonno 13 minutes ago
        "One dude" that has been one of the lead and most well known contributors to open source for decades now.
      • oefrha 5 hours ago
        In this case CSS-Tricks got paid $4m first, so probably the wrong entity to be complaining about funding. But maybe the lead editor in question who’s not the creator didn’t see much of that?
        • boredpudding 5 hours ago
          CSS-Tricks didn't get paid $4m. They got acquired. The previous owner of CSS-Tricks got $4m.
          • oefrha 5 hours ago
            Got acquired => got paid. CSS-Tricks the entity (up to the point of acquisition) got paid the money. If and how the money was divided between the people involved doesn’t seem be public info.
    • mb_thd 5 hours ago
      "people you do like" in this case refers to a website that DigitalOcean owns. "people you don't like" is a singular (racist) guy who slapped a bunch of scripts on top of Arch and somehow receives hundreds of thousands of dollars for it.
      • kreetx 4 hours ago
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        • Catloafdev 3 hours ago
          That's the verbiage racists use to try to make it sound like it's not racism.

          Spoiler: it's racism.

        • blactuary 4 hours ago
          -- cultural non-fit, rather than racist

          Incredible

        • ryan_n 4 hours ago
          Based on his own blog post (https://web.archive.org/web/20250925050154/https://world.hey...) I would argue he does come off as racist.

          There are a lot of non-white british people (just like there are non-white americans), and he basically ignores that entire population. He assumes that you are only british if you are white and that london is worse now because there are less whites there. That has nothing to do with meritocracy, and arguable little to do with cultural non-fit.

          There's a lot more to unpack in that article aside from just that, but that is the most blatantly obvious one.. And for what it's worth, I don't disagree with DHH on mass immigration. But he seems to have a lot more severe beliefs than just "mass immigration is bad".

          • graemep 3 hours ago
            > There are a lot of non-white british people (just like there are non-white americans), and he basically ignores that entire population.

            There are many people who are mostly or wholly culturally British. I am not white and I live in the north of England and the biggest cultural non-fit is that my speech is obviously southern.

            London does not, on the whole, feel very different culturally, from when I grew up there in the 80s. The biggest change in terms of the cultural impact of immigrants has been that of Eastern Europeans: things such as the availability if Polish food.

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    • prinny_ 6 hours ago
      I think it’s a very good look when the people you complain about are racists.
      • archerx 4 hours ago
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        • ramon156 3 hours ago
          they arent being called racist, they are racist. not a small difference there.
          • archerx 3 hours ago
            Show me the proof.
        • dofm 4 hours ago
          DHH is pretty evidently racist in a lazily-disguised form, and he sounds a lot like a wealthy 1930s pro-Nazi pseudointellectual when he spouts off.

          He's also spoken in favour of an agitator who appears intent on sparking a race-and-religion-driven civil inflagration in the UK.

          Pretty solidly applicable terms, I am sorry to say.

          Maybe no worse than JD Vance, Pete Hegseth or Trump, but then none of those people are figuratively one of our own.

      • IslandRebel 6 hours ago
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        • boredpudding 5 hours ago
          There's a difference between when people have a platform. Made a mistake 10 years ago? Fine.

          But that's very different than using your huge platform today to spread your hate.

          Pretending those two are the same is dangerous. One of them does actual harm today.

          • IslandRebel 5 hours ago
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            • drewbeck 5 hours ago
              > Someone will dig through some old forums/news group/twitter posts that someone made and use that as a stick to beat them with.

              This is not about digging up some old careless post. It’s about his current views which he posts proudly online.

              I’ll note your post pulls a classic trick:

              - these views are not that important to who he is

              - anyway even if he did hold those views it’s not that big of a deal

              - but also I agree with those views (even tho I am but a humble, reasonable centrist)

              • IslandRebel 4 hours ago
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                • dofm 4 hours ago
                  > Secondly, constantly berating him for having the wrong opinions and not explaining why those opinions are wrong are more likely to entrench his positions and anyone that is sympathetic to those opinions.

                  People have tried that.

                  DHH is at best a pseudo-intellectual troll.

                  • IslandRebel 2 hours ago
                    Everything I've read has been accusatory, including the two articles linked on the topic we are discussing.
                    • dofm 2 hours ago
                      I do indeed accuse him of being a pseudo-intellectual troll, and that is the kindest interpretation of things he has actually written, including “As I Remember London”, which is creepy, deliberately misleading, has clear white-nationalist subtext and openly supports a crooked bigoted thug.
                      • IslandRebel 1 hour ago
                        That wasn't quite what I meant when I replied to you.

                        I disagree with your interpretation being the kindest.

                        The kindest interpretation is this: I believe he has been deceived. What happened to him (and this has happened to a lot of people) is that he has gone down the political rabbit hole after realising that some things he has believed his whole life may have been a mislead. That leads you to go through avenues that are often frequented by grifters and all sorts of other conmen.

                        Therefore, you come to the wrong conclusions.

                        People online constantly berating him everytime his projects are mentioned doesn't allow him an out, doesn't allow him to move and eventually get away from listening to the people that have deceived him.

                        If you are actually interested, I would look at the UFO community where this happens, as it isn't politically charged (at least not in the same way). Many of the people deceived have no education in science or engineering and are often looking to explain something that may have happened to them (often this may be a hallucination or just something weird they've seen).

                        • dofm 1 hour ago
                          Nope, sorry. There are things in that article that are really a long way beyond having been deceived. They cannot and must not be minimised in that way. And nobody who criticises them should feel any blame if he doubles down; he is a wealthy privileged white man who is solely responsible for the things he says.
                          • IslandRebel 1 hour ago
                            > There are things in that article that are really a long way beyond having been deceived

                            I don't believe so. Can you explain exactly how it is impossible he is deceived?

                            > They cannot and must not be minimised in that way.

                            Why not? To me what I described is what fits 100%. You just asserting that is the case hasn't explained why I might be incorrect.

                            You clearly haven't taken what I've explained to you on board at all. I suggest you bother checking out any of how this occurs in any other conspiracy circles, e.g., UFOs or just watching something that promotes conspiracy theories, such as Hunting Hitler (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5248878/). It's the same mechanism, just a different form.

                            > And nobody who criticises them should feel any blame if he doubles down; he is a wealthy privileged white man who is solely responsible for the things he says.

                            I am not saying people should feel blame for criticising him. I am saying that should be blamed for brow-beating him.

                            Are you telling me he cannot be deceived because he is wealthy? Plenty of wealthy and privileged people are/have been deceived.

                            • dofm 1 hour ago
                              I am not going to waste my time watching videos about UFO nuts to try to gain insight into why what DHH said about London is somehow a result of him being deceived and not his own fully formed opinions that he affirmed by deliberately writing them in his blog.

                              He is a grown man. Be serious.

                              • IslandRebel 52 minutes ago
                                All you are telling me is that you are going to be wilfully ignorant. That is intellectually dishonest.

                                Constantly reiterating that he can't have been deceived when I've told you how it happens to people and there are similar examples elsewhere is being an ignoramus.

                                • dofm 13 minutes ago
                                  Is he, or is he not, fully responsible for the words in his blog that he wrote a year ago and has not amended or corrected despite very clear corrections of his misstatements of fact? (This is not even the only article where he has done that)

                                  I don’t really give a crap if he was deceived, or how much pushback he gets, or whether he feels trapped by his own actions. He’s a big boy, he wrote what he wrote.

                                  What he wrote is xenophobic pseudo intellectual nonsense tinged with white nationalist tropes, in support of a crook and a thug, and he is a fully grown man who is responsible for his own words on a commercial blogging platform he runs. He has access to all the same sources of information anyone else has.

                                  You can call me names all you like but I think it’s kind of weird that you would go to bat for him like this.

            • brazukadev 4 hours ago
              Why are you comparing someone that said a mild anti-abort thing to DHH tho? can you describe with your words what is DHH main talking points? mild racism? mild eugenics?
              • IslandRebel 4 hours ago
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                • brazukadev 4 hours ago
                  You don't see anything wrong with his posts because you hold similar beliefs, you are just putting yourself in the center, which is typical.
        • polymer8563 5 hours ago
          totally the same thing guys! comparison is my passion!
        • yaakushi 4 hours ago
          No idea who Jeff Geerling is, but about Rossman: He has his opinion about trans people. Some people have the opinion that he is a bigot as a consequence of that. I don't see the issue with that? Also, it's not like he'll lose his platform or his company over that, so I doubly don't see the issue here?
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    • blactuary 6 hours ago
      "People you don't like" is a great euphemism for racists
      • account42 5 hours ago
        That does seem to be the definition that many people base their use of that word on.
    • benatkin 3 hours ago
      In this case you can judge for yourself if it's an overreaction. https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
      • dallen33 33 minutes ago
        Holy shit, that blog post was insane. He's clearly a racist twat.
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  • rkeswick 6 hours ago
    The writing quality definitely dropped after the acquisition. It's a shame, CSS-Tricks taught me so much early on.
  • ewy1 6 hours ago
    the title is really underselling it; as the post is very concise, i won't repeat it here but it's worth reading
  • wiesson 5 hours ago
    Can’t the site be migrated to Astro/static and be hosted on CF/Vercel? It could be a great resource for LLMs
    • kreetx 4 hours ago
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      • paulhebert 3 hours ago
        The author of this post is not complaining that they are not being paid.

        The editor of CSS Tricks who was hired by Digital Ocean is the one who is not getting paid.

        I think it is morally in the right for employees to get paid by their employers

        • kreetx 2 hours ago
          The author of this post is complaining about CSS-Tricks not getting paid.

          If the person who works ("works") for Digital Ocean but is not getting paid, should pretty leave immediately if that is the case. :) I.e, demanding on some moral premise that this other guy who I don't like is getting money, is quite a "far-left" way to go about it.

  • est 6 hours ago
    Perhaps just make it open source and static host it
  • bsimpson 4 hours ago
    TIL Chris Coyier sold CSS Tricks in 2022.
  • kellengreen 1 hour ago
    Why purchase a website, just to run it into the ground? I never understood this.
    • m3h 1 hour ago
      COVID happened. Money was aplenty. Then snapback happened. And there were many firings and cancelled projects.

      There were a lot of products and ideas that felt great during ZIRP but stopped making sense post-ZIRP. That's my take.

  • owebmaster 7 hours ago
    That's what going to happen to tailwind too after the acquisition.
    • EspadaV9 7 hours ago
      Has Shopify given money to Omarchy too? Or more so because now Tailwind is owned by someone larger?
    • threetonesun 6 hours ago
      Tailwind is basically already EOL in its functional inability to support newer CSS features. Both of these projects seemed like the creator being fine with getting out with a nice paycheck, and that's ok by me, although it's unfortunate DO lied about how it would handle CSS Tricks going forward, and generally abandoned the tech writing aspect it was initially known for.
  • micromacrofoot 7 hours ago
    what are people using instead of digital ocean now?
    • rpastuszak 6 hours ago
      Hetzner + Coolify + BunnyCDN for the entire stack

      I'm moving off Vercel / AWS. I kept DO for a Minecraft server for friends/family but that's dead.

      • Diti 3 hours ago
        I use Hetzner and Bunny too. What does Coolify do in this instance?
        • VPenkov 2 hours ago
          Github-to-production or similar autodeploy workflows, cert management, backups, monitoring, notifications, and other things.

          Coolify's website [1] explains it better.

          But for example, you can call a webhook once new resources have been created, so Coolify can push them to your CDN.

          [1] https://coolify.io/

        • tancop 2 hours ago
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    • recov 6 hours ago
      I switched over to vultr months ago, so far so good!
    • jordanscales 7 hours ago
      Hetzner
    • spiderfarmer 6 hours ago
      Hetzner. I like the company and how they operate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeJYEN_lrg

      Plus, it's an EU company. I don't want to rely on US hosting for my business.

  • droptablemain 48 minutes ago
    Is this an article about CSS-Tricks or a hit piece on DHH? Hard to tell.
    • dallen33 32 minutes ago
      It's both. Fuck DHH.
  • soundnote 2 hours ago
    > Apparently it is a more pressing matter for them to donate to a collection of scripts and configuration files than to contribute to the projects they’re built upon

    The dismissive disingenuousness is tiresome. Omarchy hasn't been a set of dotfiles in a long time, and the money has gone to upstream projects - vaxry got paid to be able to dev Hyprland fulltime for up to five years, outfoxxed who makes Quickshell got hired, they sponsored the developer of mise, and hired a kernel developer.

  • Theodores 7 hours ago
    Almost all magazines go though an arc of success, plateau and decline. Audiences and writers move on or retire.

    I very much like and use CSS-Tricks, however, in itself it reflects a somewhat dated frontend design process and rarely uses any CSS tricks to clothe the Wordpress core that enforces dated design processes.

  • woodpanel 2 hours ago
    Immediate Tab-Closing when the author can't finish even half of an CSS article without ranting about evil conservatives ("far-right racist infamy").
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  • draw_down 7 hours ago
    I would have been okay with this state of affairs if the Omarchy guy had good politics. But he has the bad politics so I’m outraged.
  • thrownaway561 6 hours ago
    Let's call it what it is, someone crying because their project isn't getting the love it wants while someone new did. Welcome to life. This happens all the time in business. CSS-Tricks is old, it had it's time and now it's time to move on. DO can do whatever they want. If they want to focus on getting Omarchy popular, then so be it.

    And dude, what is with all the DHH hate??? The dude isn't a Nazi, fascist or racist. The dude sees the country he loves turning into a cesspool and wrote about it. We're seeing the same thing here in the US with all these immigrants taking over Michigan.

    • blactuary 6 hours ago
      "He's not racist!"

      (says something racist)

    • chunkyslink 5 hours ago
      They guy writes things like this https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64.

      Let me say that the generalisations made in here about a far right minority march as if it is 'all brits' is brazen, but not naive.

      He want's you to think all Brits think like this, in order to push his racist agenda. Let me tell you his mate Tommy Robinson is despised by many.

      Don't fall for it. Divide and conquer. As old as British Imperialism.

    • IslandRebel 6 hours ago
      > Let's call it what it is, someone crying because their project isn't getting the love it wants while someone new did. Welcome to life. This happens all the time in business. CSS-Tricks is old, it had it's time and now it's time to move on. DO can do whatever they want. If they want to focus on getting Omarchy popular, then so be it.

      CSS Tricks was a massively useful resource. However tailwind and/or other frontend frameworks have abstracted a lot of this away and tbh I've haven't even bothered looking at the site in several years.

      > And dude, what is with all the DHH hate??? The dude isn't a Nazi, fascist or racist. The dude sees the country he loves turning into a cesspool and wrote about it. We're seeing the same thing here in the US with all these immigrants taking over Michigan.

      Unfortunately political polarisation is affecting everyone and everything.

      The topic is an almost obligatory mention any time Omarchy gets mentioned. I've seen stuff like this webpage https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/ where they are claiming Jeff Geerling to be a fascist, which is obviously ridiculous.

      I don't believe DHH to be a fascist or whatever (yes I read the blog post, it is standard reactionary politics that been around for about a decade now). I am not sure why feel the need to constantly mention it, I understand he may have some views that people disagree with, but he cannot realistically affect any change. The obligatory mention feels performative IMO.

      Moreover, I deeply disagree with the politics of many prominent people (of all political persuasions) that are often front and centre in tech, you won't hear me mentioning it unless it is relevant to their work or they are in a position to actually affect change.

      • latexr 4 hours ago
        > I understand he may have some views that people disagree with, but he cannot realistically affect any change.

        You keep saying that, but I think what you’re missing is that he can affect change. He’s a public figure with a large amount of influence, as made evident by the companies giving him money. His reach gives him the power to contribute to the normalisation of certain topics, thus moving the Overton window, and his opinions attract like-minded powerful people with political influence.

        Ignoring him as just some powerless guy who cannot enact change is frankly naive, and a mistake the world has made before.

        • IslandRebel 4 hours ago
          I am sorry but you severely misunderstand how politics work if you believe the amount of money and some notoriety online will translate into votes / enacting legislation.
          • sevenseacat 4 hours ago
            Do you... not know how political donors and lobbying work?
            • IslandRebel 3 hours ago
              Pretending that support for a Linux distro is going to translate directly (or at all) into political lobbying that is going to eclipse large donor groups that will sink hundreds of millions behind a candidate is delusional.
              • wuhhh 2 hours ago
                Why should it need to eclipse them? I think you are either ignorant or naive if you can’t see how this could be politically motivated.
                • IslandRebel 2 hours ago
                  It was a turn of phrase. I am just pointing out that it is extremely unlikely.

                  I don't think any of this is politically motivated (the Linux stuff). I don't see anything on the site that even mentions anything remotely political.

          • latexr 4 hours ago
            You severely misunderstand the world if you believe the only way to be harmful and enact change is through votes and legislation.

            Also, perhaps read up on lobbying and historic cases like Citizens United v. FEC, if you think money plays no part in politics.

            • IslandRebel 4 hours ago
              I find these sorts of conversations tiresome. Almost nobody who isn't interested in particular parts of the tech remotely knows who DHH is. He managed to secure some funding for his Linux distro. None of this directly translates to the broader political landscape.

              I think you and others that pretending that this is the case, is borderline delusional.

          • brazukadev 4 hours ago
            > I am sorry but you severely misunderstand how politics work

            I'd say you are the one that doesn't know but that's exactly how far right propaganda works.

            They are all saints fighting their evil enemies for a noble cause - "their country!!!" as you mentioned while also having strong racist/xenophobic opinions about other countries.

            • IslandRebel 4 hours ago
              I am quite aware how it works. What you are describing is nationalism which isn't what is happening online these days. Nationalism is an older form of propaganda / State control. I am not a Libertarian/Ancap but this is a concise description of the mechanism.

              > Since most men tend to love their homeland, the identification of that land and its people with the State was a means of making natural patriotism work to the State’s advantage. If “Ruritania” was being attacked by “Walldavia,” the first task of the State and its intellectuals was to convince the people of Ruritania that the attack was really upon them and not simply upon the ruling caste. In this way, a war between rulers was converted into a war between peoples, with each people coming to the defense of its rulers in the erroneous belief that the rulers were defending them. This device of “nationalism” has only been successful, in Western civilization, in recent centuries; it was not too long ago that the mass of subjects regarded wars as irrelevant battles between various sets of nobles.

              https://mises.org/online-book/anatomy-state/how-state-preser...

  • jgalt212 6 hours ago
    few people ever miss an opportunity to kick DHH.

    > A set of scripts and configurations which are led by David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH). Previously of Ruby on Rails fame, but now of Omarchy notoriety and far-right, racist infamy.

    • diegolas 3 hours ago
      wild that some people still except someone else to side with their views just by pulling these entirely out of context in this year of the Lord
    • micromacrofoot 3 hours ago
      that's what happens when you put your whole ass out to the world
    • dbalatero 5 hours ago
      Sorry to say, DHH invites it.
      • cubefox 37 minutes ago
        Sorry to say, but if you consider him "far-right" and "racist" for saying things that were considered completely uncontroversial and common sense some ~15 years ago, you are the one who is far-left.
      • vlyan 4 hours ago
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        • edent 3 hours ago
          I'm in London right now.

          May I politely invite you to fuck off with your racism.

          Indigenous? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? Why are you so happy to be racist in public?

          Stop getting your news from social media. Come over to London, have a pint in a Desi pub and try telling us that we're living in hell. See how that works out for you.

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  • sintaxi 6 hours ago
    Wow, Omarchy is hot right now. Great to see all these companies contributing to a future with Linux on desktop. Good on Digital Ocean for making such a substantial commitment.

    It would be a shame if css-tricks went offline after all these years. I can understand it winding down now that we are in the age of agents but I hope to see it preserved in some way so it stays online for a very long time.

    • otherme123 5 hours ago
      Omarchy is a highly opinionated distro. For example I remember DHH falling in love with alacritty a few minutes after switching from being a Mac hardcore user-evangelist (Mac users were furious in Twitter!). Now alacritty is in Omarchy as one of the four terminals available.

      This is to say that Omarchy is not Linux. Is a very particular vision of Linux that lots of people won't like. Funding should go to projects near the foundation of Linux (say Gnome or Kde or alacritty itself), not to some random re-packager known for having strong and radical takes that might swing without previous notice. DHH is perfectly able to wake up tomorrow saying "fuck Linux, fuck Omarchy, the future is Windows".

    • lgl 5 hours ago
      > Great to see all these companies contributing to a future with Linux on desktop.

      I'm thinking they're merely riding the free publicity wave. Who, in their right mind, would contribute to the super narrow definition of linux desktop preached by DHH?

      Was "being agentic" and "being keyboard shortcut oriented" the big gaps preventing the adoption of linux on desktop?

      I honestly fail to see why everybody is so convinced that the linux desktop will be "saved" by Omarchy, a set of scripts specifically designed to mostly satisfy a narrow slice of power users and developers.

      Also, sponsoring a multi-millionaire's AI generated side project to the sum of many millions of dollars instead of contributing to the dozens or hundreds of thankless developers that have built and maintained most of the current linux ecosystem is pretty disgusting imho.

  • timedude 4 hours ago
    Aren't all Linux distros ultimately a bunch of scripts on top of the Linux kernel? Compiled scripts, but scripts none the less. If someone made a bash compiler maybe that would help. Reminds me of when I used to compile DOS batch files to .com executables back in the day to make my work look more important lol