OpenBSD 8.0

(openbsd.org)

170 points | by privong 4 hours ago

9 comments

  • nanolith 3 minutes ago
    I've used OpenBSD as a laptop daily driver for nearly 20 years. It's small. It remains mostly consistent between updates. In fact, it's so stable that I barely notice changes when I upgrade until I go hunting for them.

    The Lenovo laptop I use as my travel laptop and console display is a 2012. It still runs OpenBSD just fine.

  • k310 3 hours ago
    I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

    https://www.openbsd.org/images/blowfishonbike-s.gif

    • rektlessness 3 hours ago
      Forget the artwork and check out the accompanying song and lyrics for the new release. I think it's one of the funnier ones so far. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80
      • Bankq 2 hours ago
        “Back in my day we didn't have artificial intelligence, we had real stupidity - and we liked it.”
        • mehmetd46 46 minutes ago
          Real stupidity is still available, you just have to opt in. Yesterday I spent an evening writing Game of Life in Prolog for no good reason, and it gave me 941 live cells instead of 18,885 because my neighbour rule counted diagonals twice. Finding that bug by hand was more fun than anything an agent did for me that day. The pointless tinkering didn't go away, we just have to choose it now.
    • enriquto 5 minutes ago
      > I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

      They are purposefully iconoclast with whatever aesthetics are "socially acceptable" for mainstream nerds. For example, their use of comic-sans in official presentations. Here they use ridiculous slop in front of an audience of conservative unix hackers. You can find it funny with the right mindset.

      The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it was at least 5 years ago [0]:

          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to your machine
          doas sysupgrade     # will log you out, go drink some coffee
          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to the upgraded machine
      
          doas sysmerge       # (optional) solve merge conflicts of your cfg files
          doas pkg_add -u     # (optional) upgrade local packages
      
      
      [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31109046
    • somat 2 hours ago
      I suspect it is social commentary on the dangers of letting the machine do all your thinking for you.
    • st_goliath 10 minutes ago
      OpenLSD, bicycle day edition?
    • benrutter 57 minutes ago
      This is an amazing image, I am fully on board with whatever it is.

      Is the animation comically slow for anyone else?

    • Guestmodinfo 3 hours ago
      I really like OpenBSD. I have used it for years. I feel the folks there are very helpful and awesome but I also do not like that graphic.
      • somat 2 hours ago
        You are not supposed to, it is intended to represent(and probably is) a machine generated image.

        I have not really formalized my thoughts on the matter, but it boils down to. It feels great to get the machine to generate a thing for you but it feels terrible to receive a thing from somebody that is machine generated.

        The worse part is the paranoia, Now I am seeing "tells" of machine generated content, and it may or may not be. But I have already lost interest.

        The real irony would be that it is a hand drawn image carefully animated to feel machine generated.

        • sroerick 2 hours ago
          Credit is given to yvaneht nioj and clanker
      • samtheprogram 2 hours ago
        To be fair, I'm reading it as satire of AI. So not liking it is kind of the point.
      • jart 1 hour ago
        They're just showing humility. Give them a break.
      • GalaxyNova 1 hour ago
        that's the point
    • exhilaration 2 hours ago
      I would just like to say that the Simpsons Already Did It: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Blinky
      • zote 1 hour ago
        The theme this time is from The Simpsons, so yeah that is where they got it from. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
      • bentley 1 hour ago
        Wow, that’s a weird coincidence.
        • GeorgeWBasic 1 hour ago
          It's not a coincidence. The song is called "The Simps on AI". They're definitely referencing Blinky.
          • messe 1 hour ago
            The art is credited to yvaneht nioj, another simpsons reference.
    • weitzj 50 minutes ago
      I would guess it is the pelican on a bicycle reimagined ;)
    • Cordiali 1 hour ago
      It's a reference to your basic 'Baton Roue' meme.

      I assume it's meant to represent the perspective of pro-AI people, but it's ambiguous.

    • jamal-kumar 1 hour ago
      Puffy's always looked kind of weird. I remember when they gave the damn fish human lips a few times and it always put me off
    • jeffrallen 54 minutes ago
      It's like a pelican on a bicycle, but with social commentary.
    • imwally 2 hours ago
      [dead]
    • IncRnd 1 hour ago
      [flagged]
    • colesantiago 1 hour ago
      And so it begins.

      SlopenBSD.

      Disappointing OpenBSD is and all of software is descending into slop.

      Don't care if it is satire or not.

    • sippingabonedry 1 hour ago
      Before they were anti-AI edgelords, they were anti-VM edgelords.

      Now they ship their own hypervisor in the base system.

      • QwenGlazer9000 1 hour ago
        It's not that they were anti VM, they just didn't think it was a proper security boundary.
        • tosti 10 minutes ago
          And they've been proven correct. Even the "secure" variety with hardware level encryption turned out to be vulnerable.
      • bentley 1 hour ago
        I don’t think the theme is “anti‐AI.” I think what it’s trying to express is something along the lines of “take responsibility for your code,” where one’s code is the code one unleashes upon the world.

        But that’s just my interpretation.

  • gucci-on-fleek 1 hour ago
    Does the version number going from v7.X->v8.0 mean that this is a larger update than v7.8->v7.9, or does the numbering just automatically roll over to the next major version when it reaches vX.9?
    • synack 1 hour ago
      No, the major number has no special significance to OpenBSD. 8.0 is just what comes after 7.9.
    • himata4113 1 hour ago
      as linus torvalds puts it: big numbers confuse me, so the next kernel version will be 7.0
      • tosti 9 minutes ago
        He ran out of fingers and toes to count on. (Wait, what comes after 19.19, or 20.19, 20.20, then what?)
  • idatum 1 hour ago
    I have a Lenovo laptop running OpenBSD 8.0.

    What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great!

    • prmoustache 1 minute ago
      I like OpenBSD, but I don't think this is a specific reason to appreciate it as any decent OS these days has been upgradeable release upon release safely for more than 2 decades, regardless if it is a linux distro, an Open/Net/FreeBSD system, a macOS or Windows system.
    • somat 29 minutes ago
      I have an old(mutters to self don't look at date then I will feel old... Oh god it's from 2012) lenovo laptop that is my daily driver for portable ops. I run openbsd on it and... well it's perfect. sleeps perfectly, radio works well, I understand the OS. I will be very sad when it dies.

      I did just re do the heatsink compound, so hopefully it has many years left, but I worry about the fan.

  • MycroftJones 1 hour ago
    When I read the Changelog I had to check if it was April Fools day. Is this a real OpenBSD release? Feels early. Also, many of those changes don't sound like real OpenBSD changes.
    • kstrauser 1 hour ago
      They come out approximately every May and October, and have for quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD#Releases
      • MycroftJones 37 minutes ago
        Thank you. Was just wondering because the items in the Changelog look.... LLMish. Not something I'd have expected from OpenBSD. On the other hand, it looks like they've done a bunch of improvements I'd have assumed they'd done years ago. I wouldn't blame them.
  • zdw 2 hours ago
    In recent past releases there was a noticeable improvement to SMP related networking bits.

    Does anyone have benchmarks between 8.0 and previous releases in that department?

    • somat 25 minutes ago
    • ksec 42 minutes ago
      Phoronix do test BSDs from time to time. But for different reasons I think OpenBSd missed twice. I hope to see the performance gap being close enough we can stop thinking it is very slow.
  • kstrauser 1 hour ago
    Anyone managed to get this running on a 2018 (Intel) Mac Mini? I tried 7.8 or 7.9, I forget which, not long ago and was flummoxed.
  • diskinsight 2 hours ago
    [dead]
  • jan_m_savage 1 hour ago
    like a virus, slop will infect the techsphere, and it will become a real pain in the bollocks to siftt thru the mountains of semi-slop just to get to the real, reliable and human-made stuff.
    • reliablehuman 30 minutes ago
      Reliable human stuff? Holy shit, I want whatever you are smoking.